75:: The one thing women DON'T need in their exercise handbags
Zone 2 Training: Do Women Really Need It?
Zone 2 training—steady-state cardio at 60–70% of your max heart rate—has been hailed as essential for endurance, fat burning, and longevity. But does the research actually apply to women?
In this episode, Dr. Kelsy Vick, board-certified Doctor of Physical Therapy and pelvic floor PT, breaks down the science of Zone 2 training and its role in women’s health, metabolism, and recovery. We’ll cover:
- What Zone 2 training really is (and how to calculate it)
- The cardiovascular and metabolic benefits for women
- Hidden downsides: time inefficiency, cortisol stress, and limited bone/muscle benefits
- Why women already have a natural advantage in fat oxidation and mitochondrial function
- HIIT, SIT, and polarized training vs Zone 2—what’s more effective?
- How to fit Zone 2 into your routine without guilt
If you’ve ever wondered whether you need 45–90 minutes of Zone 2 cardio five times a week, or if HIIT and strength training might be more efficient, this episode clears the air.
Tune in to learn how Zone 2 fits into your exercise handbag—and why it might be more of an accessory than an essential for women’s fitness.
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00:50- 02:12 Introduction to Exercise Handbag Series
02:13- 05:09 Understanding Zone Two Training
05:10- 08:49 Zone Two Training: Male vs. Female Physiology
08:50- 10:16 Polarized Training Model for Women
10:44- 12:19 Incorporating Zone Two and Polarized Training (part 2)
Transcript
This next part of our exercise handbag
is going to deviate from the series
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:just a little bit because it might
not be as essential as we previously
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:thought, especially for women.
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:So let's clear the air a
bit on zone two training.
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:Specifically how zone two
training affects the female body.
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:Welcome back to Wellness, fix the Pod.
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:I'm your host, Dr.
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:Kelsey Vic, a board
certified orthopedic Dr.
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:Physical therapy and a pelvic
floor physical therapist.
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:And this new series we've been
doing throughout September.
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:I'm calling the exercise handbag
series because we are talking about
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:some of the essentials to include
in your exercise handbag, where
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:we all have different handbags.
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:We all have different styles of handbags
that we enjoy, that we gravitate
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:towards, just like we have different
forms of exercise that we might
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:gravitate towards, but the essentials
in our handbag, the essentials in our
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:exercise routine, especially as women.
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:Should be pretty similar.
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:We have our phones, our keys, our wallets,
just like in our exercise handbag, we also
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:have some of the essentials that we want
as foundations in our exercise routine.
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:So our first two essentials we
covered were high intensity interval
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:training slash sprint interval
training, and then also jump training.
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:High intensity interval training.
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:Super controversial.
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:So we dive into that in that episode.
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:And then jump training is
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:The secret sister that no
one really talks about.
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:So we chat about jump training and how
beneficial it is for us as women in
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:the previous episode and this week.
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:Again, deviating a little bit talking
about zone two training and why it might
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:not be as essential as we previously
thought, especially for women.
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:So first of all, what
is zone two training?
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:Zone two training is exercising at about
60 to 70% of your max heart rate or a max
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:effort for a prolonged period of time.
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:As a reminder, in order to
calculate your max heart rate,
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:just do two 20 minus your age.
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:So for someone who's 20
years old, two 20 minus 20.
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:Estimated max heart rate would
be about 200 beats per minute.
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:So exercising in that 60 to 70%
range of that heart rate zone
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:will be your zone two training.
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:Another way to look at it that we were
taught in school is that you can maintain
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:a conversation but you can't sing.
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:So if you're able to speed walk and
talk but not sing, that is that zone
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:two moderate intensity training.
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:When it comes to zone two training, most
of the research done on zone two training
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:has been done on men, which is why I
wanted to dive into this topic today.
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:Historically speaking, it's it's been
recommended to get about 45 to 90
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:minutes of zone two training five times
a week, but a lot of that research
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:has been done on the male body.
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:so we'll dive into how that
contrasts with the female body.
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:What are the benefits of zone two
training from an overarching perspective?
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:One, of course, cardiovascular
benefits, heart health is huge, and
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:zone two really does help with that.
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:We also have the benefits of fat
oxidation and improved metabolism, and
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:then we also can use zone two as active
recovery and mental health benefits of.
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:So those are the overarching
benefits of zone two training
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:for both men and for women.
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:So what are some reasons we might
not wanna do zone two training and
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:might wanna choose another form of
cardiovascular exercise to sort one of
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:the cons is time inefficiency and guilt.
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:It takes a good amount of time to
exercise for as long as we need to.
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:At 60 to 70% of our max heart rate,
it's pretty easy to get to that 60, 70%.
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:So in order to get those benefits.
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:That we talked about, the
cardiovascular benefits, the
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:metabolic benefits, all of that.
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:We need to exercise for a very long
period of time, and someone might feel
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:a little bit guilty not reaching that 90
minutes, five times a week recommendation
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:that we've historically adopted.
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:there's also limited stimulus for
adaptation, especially as we age.
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:It is not hard enough exercise to help
with muscle mass or bone Mineral density,
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:which we've already discussed, are
both things that we want to focus on,
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:especially as we age, and it's not easy
enough to be active recovery, so it falls
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:in this sort of like gray middle zone.
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:With prolonged exercise, we can
have sustained cortisol increases.
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:So if you're someone who has a high
baseline level of cortisol anyways,
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:whether through work, stress, family
stress, life stress, just you're a
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:chronic zone two exerciser where you're
doing that 90 minutes five times a week
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:at 60 to 70% of your max heart rate,
you can have elevated cortisol levels
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:for a more prolonged period of time.
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:So extended moderate intensity exercise,
especially when combined with other
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:stressors in life, can lead to elevated
cortisol levels, especially in women.
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:Now let's zoom in a little bit more
specifically on why the female physiology
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:differs from the male physiology when
it comes to zone two training women
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:in general, as we mentioned in the
first essential series, have natural.
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:superior mitochondrial
function than men do,
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:we have more oxidative, meaning they
use oxygen type one skeletal muscle
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:fibers that have a high mitochondrial
density and we actually have about
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:a third greater mitochondrial
respiration as women compared to men.
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:Women are also much more
metabolically flexible than men.
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:We switch between.
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:Utilizing carbs and fats
as fuel quicker than men.
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:So a lot of the time men will do zone
two training to switch from that glucose,
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:that carbohydrate fuel utilization to fat.
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:For fat loss.
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:As women, we are actually really
good at switching, and so we don't
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:necessarily need as long of that
time at that moderate intensity
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:to switch to that fat utilization.
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:We do it relatively
quickly compared to a male.
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:We're able to oxidize more fat and
less carbs than men during prolonged
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:exercise at a similar intensity.
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:We maintain a better cellular
energy homeostasis during exercise
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:stress, and we have better built-in
fat burning efficiency, which
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:is basically that fat oxidation.
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:We have a greater abundance of fatty
acid transporters, meaning we're
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:better able to use those fatty acids.
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:Because we have more of that transporter
to utilize those fatty acids as energy.
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:We also have more stored fat within
our muscles, which is easier to access
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:compared to fat stored in other places.
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:And so we're better able to tap
in to the fat, stored in muscle
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:to utilize that for energy.
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:And we have better mechanisms
for utilizing fat as fuel too.
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:So because of our.
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:Mitochondrial density
being higher than men.
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:We also have more metabolic
flexibility able to switch
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:between carbohydrates and fats.
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:Zone two might not be as necessary for us.
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:Since a few of the primary pros and
reasons to do zone two training is
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:to train the mitochondria and utilize
fat for body composition changes.
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:The fact that our bodies are already
structured to do that makes zone two may
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:be less of a priority for us as women.
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:It's not that it's bad for us, not at all.
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:It's just that when building our
exercise handbags of essentials.
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:The essentials we need in our routine,
why would we include something that
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:takes so much time and that our body is
already naturally adapted for, rather than
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:incorporating some of the other essentials
that we actually need, like high intensity
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:interval training and sprint interval
training that our bodies aren't as
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:set up for as our male counterparts.
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:High intensity interval training and
sprint interval training have also
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:been shown to be more beneficial in the
cardiovascular and metabolic realms.
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:With less of a time commitment.
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:So overall it's about bang for your buck.
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:If you really enjoy
zone two cardio, do it.
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:By all means, it's wonderful as long as
you have the appropriate cool down and
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:the appropriate recovery in between.
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:Zone two is great, and I'm not
discouraging at all, but if we're really
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:trying to build that exercise handbags of
purely essentials that we can do across
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:the board, it might be better bang for
your buck to incorporate another form
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:of cardiovascular and metabolic based
activities like high intensity interval
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:training and sprint interval training.
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:So there are exceptions, of course.
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:If you're training for something
long duration, lower intensity, or
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:moderate intensity, like a marathon,
of course you need to do zone training.
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:Specificity of training does matter, so
if you're training for something that
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:is moderate intensity, long duration,
you are going to want to include zone
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:two training in your current routine
for that training block, for that race
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:or event that you're training for.
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:As I was researching for this
episode, I came across another sort
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:of training mindset when it comes to
cardiovascular training that I thought
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:would be interesting to you guys too.
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:It basically talks about polarized
training for cardiovascular training where
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:if you can think of polarized opinions or.
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:Polar opposites.
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:They're on either side of the spectrum.
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:So this research argues that especially
for women, it's really good if we spend
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:the majority of our time in that black and
white zone on either end of the spectrum,
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:not as much in that gray area, not as
much in that moderate intensity area.
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:They advocate for spending time on either
side of the extreme, so 75 to 80% lower
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:intensity training, less than 10% of
moderate intensity training like zone
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:two, so not as much of that gray area,
and then 15 to 20% high intensity training
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:mixed, of course, with strength training.
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:And so thinking of that polarized training
model being super beneficial for women,
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:knowing that we're spending time on
either sides of the extremes and not as
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:much in that gray area, that middle zone.
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:So there are a lot of studies showing
benefit in the twenties and thirties,
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:forties and fifties, and 50 plus
age ranges for women utilizing this
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:polarized training, especially with
improving your metabolism, improving
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:fat utilization, body fat reduction,
and improved power and endurance.
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:So thinking of that as an alternative to
this prolonged, moderate intensity work,
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:working on either side of that spectrum
with that polarized training model.
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:So how do we incorporate it
into our exercise handbag?
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:Knowing what we know now and knowing
that zone two is maybe a little bit
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:more optional than what we previously
thought, especially for women.
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:If you wanna include zone training
because you enjoy it, not necessarily
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:training for anything specific, limit it
to about one to two sessions per week.
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:You can also use it for active
recovery in between your main sessions.
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:It shouldn't be the primary focus of your
cardiovascular training, but of course
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:you can use it for mental health reasons.
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:If you wanna try more of a polarized
training model, exercising in
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:those black and white zones and
not as much in that gray zone.
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:Shoot for 30 minutes of walking each day.
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:Again, that's that lower intensity range.
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:And then 15 to 25 minute high
intensity interval training
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:sessions about two to three times
per week on non-consecutive days.
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:As we talked about in our essentials
course in our first episode of the
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:Exercise Handbag Essentials series.
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:And if you do want to exercise in that
zone two range because you enjoy it,
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:because it's easy to do with a friend.
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:Always think, am I in zone two?
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:am I able to carry on a
conversation without singing?
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:That's a really good gauge as
to know whether or not you truly
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:are in that zone two range.
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:So jogging with friends, cycling around
your neighborhood at a leisurely place.
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:Dance, cardio, sculpt flow
classes, Pilates flow classes.
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:Always you can incorporate zone two
training if you enjoy it, if it's
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:something that you really love to do.
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:Knowing that it's not necessarily
essential and definitely not a
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:foundational element for our exercise
handbags, especially as women.
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:I know that probably
surprised some of you.
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:I hope you enjoyed this episode.
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:I hope you learned more why our bodies as
women might not respond as well to zone
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:two training as men or might not need
it as much as our male counterparts do.
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:But I hope you learned something.
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:I hope you enjoyed this episode.
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:I hope you're enjoying this series so far.
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:I'd love to hear from you guys to see
what you've learned and how you're
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:incorporating it into your own routines.
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:But thank you guys so much for listening,
and I'll see you guys again on the next
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:episode of Wellness Fixes of the Pod.